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I really thought this had already been asked on here but couldnโt find anything specific. Apologies if it has been asked before and a link would be greatly appreciated. Iโm a US citizen and if I have a residence permit for one Western European country that states I only have to live in the country for 6 months out of the year can I live in another European country for the other 6 months. I plan on EU country hoping every other 6 months to avoid becoming a resident of more than one country.
As from my experience thereโs no border control so thereโs no way for them to know where you are at the moment.
That doesnโt mean is โlegalโ. I asked about this in Germany and they told me you can go to any country, and you get granted automatically a tourist visa for 2 weeks,after that you should go back to your permit country.
After those 2 weeks you are required to register your self as a resident, so you need a rent contract, and pay for the medical insurance.
Sine they donโt have a way to know when you arrived you just need to keep in mind that if something happens, you just say youโre a tourist and you arrived a few days ago. Youโll be fine.
SWIM has a Spanish residency permit but spends most of the time in Berlin
What I donโt exactly understand is what you mean with becoming a โresidentโ. I am not an expert but the EU is not at all โlike the United Statesโโฆ every country has its own system of dealing with residency.
In most EU countries, you need to register with the local authorities when moving to a place and planning to stay for a longer period (usually 3 months). In Germany for example, you are supposed to register at the town hall within 2 weeks when moving in a place. In Denmark the same, when you rent a place officially and plan on staying more than 3 months you need to register with the local authority. In France however you are not legally obliged to register, although not sure what about non-EU citizens.
However this is only the registering/resident part โ the tax question is by far more complex. In Denmark or Germany for example, you will automatically also become a tax resident. And usually if you stay more than 6 months in the country, you have to pay taxes in that country.
An additional level of complexity is the social security and the EU mandatory health insurance. If you become resident in for example Denmark or Germany, you will also adhere to their health insurance schemeโฆ
All in all I think it would be better to check the country you plan on going to, if you really want to move around every 6 months. If you have a business in the EU, it might be a lot less hassle to just stick with one country and move around as a โtouristโ and simply not registering. Although this sometimes limit the apartments you can rent. In Belgium for example the landlord will require you to register with the authorities, as he/she will otherwise pay increased taxes โ However if you register there, you will also become a tax residentโฆ. Trickyโฆ
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, or accountant, and I am not giving any advice, merely also seeking this same information I am sharing with sources. Call me out on anything I have wrongly interpreted, as I would also like to be in the know,correct and legal as well.
INFORMATION FOR EU NATIONALS - Reporting requirements by country for short stays, less than 3 months.
In most EU countries, you need to register with the local authorities when moving to a place and planning to stay for a longer period (usually 3 months).
I think that reporting also includes shorter stays per this link, choose a country:
Updated : 28/02/2017
Reporting presence for short stays (<3 months)
Some EU countries require you to report your presence to the relevant authorities (often the town hall or local police station) within a reasonable period of time after arrival and may impose a penalty, such as a fine, if you fail to do so.
All you need to report your presence as EU national is your identity card or passport; if you are accompanied by family members who are not EU nationals, they will need a passport. You should not have to pay any fees. If you are staying in a hotel, it is usually enough to fill in a special form - the hotel will take care of the rest.
For example:
Spain
For stays of less than 3 months, EU nationals are not required to report their presence, or register with the authorities, whatever the reasons for their stay in Spain.
Germany
Exception for short stays
If you are moving into an apartment or a house, for up to 3 months, there is no obligation to notify the registration authority.
this exception above is different advice in the thread!
Italy
EU citizens and their family members do not need to report their presence for the first 3 months after arriving in Italy.
If the person concerned has not reported their presence, it is presumed that they will stay in Italy for more than three months, unless otherwise indicated.
Now it getโs trickier if you donโt want any of these countries to consider you to be a TAX RESIDENT. Usually itโs 183 days in a country, but it depends on the country, as to when the country will consider you a TAX RESIDENT and want you to pay taxes on income from earnings in that country.
Longer Stays - > 3 months:
During the first 3 months of your stay in your new country, as EU national, you cannot be required to apply for a residence document confirming your right to live there - although in some countries you may have to report your presence upon arrival.
After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register your residence with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station), and to be issued with a registration certificate.
Reporting presence isnโt registering for residence - itโs an important distinction
Residence status for tax purposes
An individual is considered resident for income tax purposes if, for the greater part of the tax year, they satisfy any of the following conditions:
Their habitual abode is in Italy.
The centre of their vital interests is located in Italy.
They are registered at the Office of Records of the Resident Population in Italy.
Italian citizens who move their residence for tax purposes to countries considered to be tax havens (โblack listโ countries) are deemed to be tax resident in Italy in all cases, unless they provide specific evidence of their non-resident status.
According to the Italian tax law, both Italian residents and non-resident individuals are subject to taxation in Italy, but on a different basis.
Which income will be taxed in Italy?
Living in Italy? You must pay tax on your worldwide income there. (criteria: you are in the Population Registry as having lived there for at least 183 consecutive days over a 12-month period or your life is centred there)
Living in Italy for less than 183 consecutive days over a 12-month period? You pay tax only on the income you earned in Italy.
Income from other EU countries? Check you never pay tax twice on the same income.
If you are not considered a Tax Resident, staying less than the 183 days noted above, and have outside income, you wonโt be taxed in Italy.
Non-tax resident individuals
Tax non-resident individuals are subject to PIT (IRPEF) only on โincome producedโ in Italy (i.e. employment income related to the work activity performed in Italy). Therefore, the foreign incomes are not relevant to the purposes of taxation in Italy.
All this being said, itโs a difficult situation to consider all the countries various tax schemes and compliance. Itโs a full time job to decipher and figure out what the liabilities are to make sure you are legal. We donโt intend to be a tax resident in the US or any country in 2017. None of our income is produced locally in country we are visiting for than than 183 days.
Itโs hard to say without knowing what country you are legally a resident in and what visa type you hold for that country, but according to the European Union:
Concerning free movement, third country nationals with a long-stay visa are put on the same footing as third country nationals holding valid residence permits: They will be able to move freely for up to three months in any six-month period within the territories of the other Schengen states.
So basically: sort of, but not the way you were thinking (but if anyone has any up-to-date information from the EU regarding third-country nationals, Iโm happy to be corrected!). Prior to becoming a dual citizen, I held only Canadian citizenship and had a visa for the Netherlands that allowed me to freely look for work and/or freelance. The conditions of that visa were stated clearly to me: I can find as much (or as little) work as I want to in the Netherlands, but, as I was not a European citizen at the time, I was emphatically not permitted to just pick up and go to another country. This was a bit of an issue for me at the time, as my partner had moved to Brussels and I was trying to find work there as well. Logically enough, a Dutch visa only lets you work and be a resident in Dutchland As a result, I was informed by both Dutch and Belgian authorities that I was allowed to spend up to three months out of the last six in the same member state.
I would avoid making like-for-like comparisons between the EU/Schengen/EEA states and the United States, as it really isnโt the same if you are not a citizen). Being a resident in Country A doesnโt mean that living in Country B would make you a resident of the latter: it means you have violated the terms of your visa and could risk deportation. Considering you arenโt a European citizen, itโs best not to try your luck!
Itโs also worth considering that things like โtrying to get some kind of welfareโ is actually the right of anyone who has a valid permit to actually reside in the country theyโre living in. If youโre earning money and paying taxes for government programmes in a European country, then you should be registered legally at an address so that you can receive any benefits that you would be entitled to (like ecocheques in Belgium or vakantiegeld in the Netherlands) based the taxes taken from your income.
But, again, I think we could probably help a lot more if we knew about what country youโre aiming to be a resident in. Iโm no immigration lawyer, but I can at least offer my past experience as a non-European!
The following is not a legal / tax advice. Iโm not a lawyer or accountant, but I have discussed related things regularly with my accountant and my answer below is based on this.
The question is, are you going to earn money (eg working, equity, real estate โฆ) within any country you plan to go?
If not, there are no taxes to pay. Itโs basically the same as visiting.
If yes, it depends in which country you are considered โtax residentโ. And this is a very vague definition. The official EU page says, youโre tax resident in the country where you spend >= 6 months per year. Now even though you have determined where youโre tax resident this doesnโt automatically mean that you do not need to pay taxes in another EU country. There is no unified tax regulation within the EU and you have to check this for each specific case individually.
Now youโre also US citizen. As far as I know, the US is the only country which considers you tax resident in the US simply based on the fact youโre born in the US - regardless where you live or earn your money.
If Iโm right on this, I think that makes the whole story even more complex, so you would have to check the tax regulations between USA vs. Particular EU country.
BTW Does your permit include working permit as well?
Hi almoehi, thanks for your reply but I donโt want to get off topic from my original post. Taxes and income aside, I just wanted to know if anyone has any information on residing in a different European country than the one they have a residence permit for. I want to know more about the regulations on this within the EU. I can of course just ask the country I want to stay in for a while but I just wanted to see if anyone had first hand experience with it here. Iโm not planning on spending anymore than 6 months in one EU country.
I was speaking of all the Western European countries no specific country. Iโll double check but I think most Western countries wouldnโt consider you a tax resident if you stay less than 6 months. Thanks for the link by the way, very helpful.
I see the Euro using EU countries as almost like the United States now so I think if you have a residence that only requires half a year in a single one of those countries you can go into and live for a while in other European counties. What would they do? Kick you out and tell you to go back to your residential country? I mean I guess if I was causing some kind of nuisance or tried to get some kind of welfare, but I doubt they would bother any other way if I only wanted to stay a short while.
The borders between Western European counties are now almost non-existent. I remember flying from Germany to Italy in 2004 and my passport got stamped and checked. I did the same exact trip in 2015 and I just got off a plane and onto a bus into the city, there was no check at all and Iโm not even an EU citizen.
I am a US citizen, but also an Italian citizen (so no visa or permits required to work). If you have a residence permit, you might be obliged to report your income to that country. Out of curiosity, which country, as I know Germany and others have different rules on reporting income while a resident.
*** not tax advice *** I think as long as you donโt become a โtaxโ resident in any of those European countries, you wonโt be obligated to report income and pay tax in those countries. Each country has different rules as to what is used to consider becoming a tax resident.
Both of these companies have extensive tax summaries for many countries: http://taxsummaries.pwc.com/uk/taxsummaries/wwts.nsf/ID/PPAA-85RDKF http://www.expat.hsbc.com/1/2/hsbc-expat/expat-experience/expat-finances/global-tax-navigator#!/IT
I am also interested to know if others are doing this as well.
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We are hoping to become nomads soon and have booked an AirBnB in September in Goa for our first destination. We are considering what would be the best option for accommodation after that. We are trying to decide between co-living spaces, hostels, or Airbnbs.
What are your experiences of accommodation in terms of the following: reliable wifi, social aspect, pricing, cleanliness, cooking facilities?
Background:
Iโm an EU national IT specialist, recently decided to become a digital nomad. I just left my permanent job in Germany and opened a UK based LTD (for a better taxation) to start a new career as remote working IT contractor. I also want to become a UK resident and pay personal income tax there BUT I donโt want to rent/buy a place because I have no interest in physically living in the UK, as a nomad I will be traveling abroad 100% of the time.
So I just need a UK address where Iโm registered as a resident and could receive mail, but I would never actually be there. I could rent a place and keep it empty but that would be a total waste of money.
Question:
How do I find somebody who could give me an official residence at his/her address and keep my name on the door? Iโm ok with paying a reasonable monthly fee for this โserviceโ (but not as high as a rent), and give assurance in whatever form that I will never pretend to physically live there. I have no close friends in the UK to ask for this favor, and trying to propose this to a random landlord would be just weird since they are not familiar with the needs of a digital nomad.
Maybe you guys can suggest me somebody who understand the situation and want to make some extra cash every month to pay the bills? Iโm ready to meet in person, provide full proof of identity or any other document, and to make a written agreement that gives the landlord the freedom to cancel this โsituationโ at any time.
Note:
This is NOT for tax evasion, itโs the opposite! I WANT to pay full tax as UK resident, I just donโt want to waste money on a rent which I will literally never use.
Hello,
Iโm preparing to travel again to Europe, but this time I want to bring our bikes. 2 road bikes. Iโll be traveling from USA to the Milan or Rome airport.
Iโd appreciate hearing your thoughts, experience and tips on traveling with a bike. I plan on being fairly stationary with our location and staying in one spot for 2-3 months, then (hopefully train) to another spot for 3 months, etc. So itโs the initial international flight Iโm most concerned about. But realistically, I think a regional flight will be inevitable with the bikes, too.
I know a bike box will be huge and we will have to break down the bike, thankfully our bikes are fairly light weight. Iโm expecting it to be a huge painโฆbut I think the reward of having a good bike to roam around with will be invaluable. Especially since we will be staying in rural areas and donโt want to rent a car.
General range of cost?
Anyone bring their bike and glad they did? โฆWish they didnโt?..
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Iโm wondering if thereโs a service or community, where I can find a nomad whoโs in Europe/heading to Thailand soon, so I can have it shipped to them in Europe and pay them to ferry it down here for me? I met someone in Budapest a ways back who had built something for this type of use-case, but I canโt remember the name of it. Any help would be appreciated!
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Israel - but airbnb listings are very pricey.
Morocco?
Turkey - maybe a little chilly.
Hi, Iโm new here.
I am moving out forever.
So I am going to move to another country my residence.
But, in the new country I donโt plan to spend more than 90 days a year for sure, at least itโs not the plan for the first years.
But I want to be sure that my tax residence is in my new country, even if I spend less than 90 days a year.
I want to be sure I wonโt be reclaimed by my original country or any other country that I might end up spending less than 180 days, but more than the less than 90 I expect to spend in my new country(looks like itโs going to be Portugal).
Hope that was understandable.
Does anyone know where I can get information about this kind related to nomadism?
Weโre Americans planning to be in Europe for all of 2020 - approx. 90 days in each country, and alternating Schengen and non-Schengen. Our destinations will likely include four of these: Italy, Croatia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Ireland, Romania, and Spain.
Can anyone give us advice on cell phones? We would prefer to keep our current (U.S) numbers if at all possible. We donโt anticipate making many local calls, but will phone the U.S. about once a week. Weโll use our phones for internet quite often.
Any advice for our situation would be very much appreciated!
Thanks,
Heather and Lars
Hi,
My name is Nick,currently living in Australia and looking at moving to Shikoku next year to live for a couple of years.My wife is Japanese,but I dont speak much though I have lived in Tokyo for some years previously.
Any advice on best areas to look at would be greatly appreciated ,
Weโre nomadโing around Europe, living in places for a few months at a time. It would be super convenient to own a car for this, but we havenโt found a good option to buy and keep one without being a steady registered resident in any country. Every time we move weโd have to basically change number plates et cetera.
Does anyone have any experience with this and has helpful advice?
Hi!
Iโm doing research about how I can register as a self-employed to another country, and I want to ask for some advice.
I have a Hungarian citizenship. I spent the last 4 and a half years abroad. For two years now I have a registered self-employment in Denmark. During this time I have always had an address there even though I was physically there for only half a year. My address was registered at a friendโs place. I want to get rid of my self-employment there due to the language difficulties and high taxes. And here comes the difficult part.
I donโt want to register self-employment in my home country as Iโm not planning going back and I donโt feel supporting it with my taxes (I know, itโs more personal than practical). I thought about Ireland (where I lived half a year twice), but the biggest problem is the address. I donโt have plans of settling down yet, but if I donโt have an address I canโt have a self-employment. Somewhere I read that itโs an option to get a real address, then changing the business address to a mail forwarding company.
Iโm looking into what opportunities I would have to register self-employment somewhere (not in my home country), and continue nomad style of moving from country to country frequently. Is there anyone who had been in a similar situation?
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Heya!
I have to be in Dubai by end of the month to finish the formation of my company and residency etc. Iโve stayed at hotels earlier, but that sounds pretty impractical considering I will be living there nearly for a month.
Anyone got any tips about renting a short-stay apartment for a month? Maybe even a few leads?
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What do you guys use for receiving both sms & calls on a European phone number?
Iโd like to have a phone number that does not change for at least 1 or 2 years.
I did my homework & found this thread but itโs only about US services so I donโt think itโs relevant: Whatโs a good US call and SMS forwarding service?
Also, I looked into Google Hangout but it doesnโt support European phone numbers.
My question is , does anyone know alternative where I could buy tickets for example Madisson Square show and AMC Cinema screening. Eventbite worked fine for example with European card.
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As a result, I was informed by both Dutch and Belgian authorities that I was allowed to spend up to three months out of the last six in the same member state.
